When asked what it takes to get out of League Two on the Men in Blazers podcast, he said: "It takes a strong unity from top to bottom. At Luton, it was a very well-run club; good owners, good manager, good staff, good lads and the fans are all on board together. And I've said it since day one, I truly believe we have that here [at Wrexham] if not better. From the owners to the manager, to the staff, the lads, and the fans all being on one page is so important to any success because I cannot speak highly enough of everyone around the club. All the lads in the dressing room, everyone gets on so well. We just have a laugh but we work so hard in training and I think you need the best of both. We will push each other but then have a laugh in the dressing room. You need that because when you are winning it is great but when you are losing that's when you see how much of a team you are and how together you are from top to bottom. Even recently we have lost a few games on the trot but now you really see how together we are from the owners to the staff, the players, and the fans. That's what brings you through and ultimately gets you success."