Real Madrid are not inclined to hold dialogue with Roma for Daniele De Rossi as transfer market consultant Ernesto Bronzetti excludes any business between the two teams involving Kaka.
The 29-year-old Brazilian playmaker has been linked with a return to Italy, and reports have suggested Roma would be interested in using De Rossi, a long-term Real Madrid target, to try and lure him to the Olimpico.
However, Bronzetti, who has a freight of associations in Madrid, has said the Italian side would face a losing battle in trying to bring Kaka back to Serie A.
He told Centro Suono Sport Roma: "A swap between Kaka and De Rossi? It's silly. They [Real Madrid] are not interested in him [De Rossi] as [Jose] Mourinho is covered in that role.
"Also, Kaka has four years on his deal and he is on €10 million [£8.9m] a season. I don't see how Roma could get him."
Madrid take on Real Zaragoza on Saturday at the Bernabeu.